Want to see more guides like this?. It can’t be a game without Kratos’ most iconic weapons — the Blades of Chaos. Yes, that’s a total spoiler, but there’s no getting around this one. The Blades of Chaos are totally a thing, and you’ll be able to upgrade them just like the Leviathan Axe. The Blades of Chaos can’t be upgraded quite as much — instead of six levels, there are only five — but getting to that max rank is very, very difficult.No, this isn’t the toughest challenge in the game, but it’s certainly going to give regular players a headache. It’s all about Muspelheim, the optional area Kratos can unlock by finding four secret language cyphers in Midgard. Find all four, and the door to Muspelheim will open in the realm travel room.
Muspelheim isn’t your average realm either. There are challenges in each area, and I do not recommend attempting them until you’re at peak performance. <br />More God of War (2018) guides on Gameranx:.How To Fully Upgrade Blades Of Chaos Level 5 Upgrade GuideIf you follow the normal path of progression, you’ll only be able to upgrade the Blades of Chaos up to Level 4 — but there’s one final upgrade you can get. The final item you need to get the Blades of Chaos up to max level can only be acquired in Muspelheim, the optional challenge realm you can unlock by finding all four hidden cipher chests. How To Upgrade The Blades of Chaos Quick Guide. Unlock Muspelheim (Find all 4 cipher chests.). Complete Trial 1-5 and reach the Valkyrie at the top. Defeat the Valkyrie — she drops the item you need to trade at Brok / Sindri’s shop. Trade the item in to get the final upgrade item for the Blades of Chaos.It sounds simple, but it’s a lot more complicated than that. Completing the trials and defeating the Valkyrie is really, really hard — so hard, I don’t recommend even attempting it until you’re basically at the end of the game, or at the post-game. I’ll provide some tips to help complete the trials below, but first let’s go over the locations of the cipher chests. God of War is a soft reboot on the franchise of the same name. It sees Kratos and his son Atreus traverse a world of Norse myths. Game Wiki; Videos (11). Blades are lvl 4 but no idea where you get the last Chaos Flame. I assume its from Muspelheim at the end or something. But yea I looked over my stuff and I can't really do. God of War (PS4) Strategy Guide. Author(s): Ben Chard. There’s only four Chaos Flames to collect and you can’t purchase the last upgrade until you finish the Journey. You’ll find the locations of the Chaos Flames in the table below. God of War Raging Inferno of Muspelheim guide shows you where to find this unique item, which you can use to buy the last Chaos Flame from the dwarves' shop, and perform the final upgrade of the Blades of Chaos. This will unlock the Why Fight It trophy. How To Unlock Muspelheim:. Muspelheim Cipher #1: River Pass – Once you meet up with the Witch, you’ll be able to access the cave underneath her house. Near the entrance lift, turn right and blast through the red vines / viscera with a charged explosive root. The cipher chest is just to the right. Muspelheim Cipher #2: The Mountain – From the Summit mystic gateway, you’ll find this chest straight up the steps leading to the green garden at the top. You can’t miss it. Muspelheim Cipher #3: Cliffs of the Raven – Here’s an area you might miss. From the Lake of the Nine, land on the beach to the right, on the path southeast from the temple. You’ll pass the beach on the way to Volunder Mines. Enter the large arena-like area at the end of the cliffs, and look left for a small opening blocked by wood — smash through and toss Atreus up so he can drop a chain. Climb up to find this optional chest. Muspelheim Cipher #4: Forgotten Caverns – Another totally optional region. This is one directly northwest of the temple in the center of the Lake of the Nine, and you can visit this area at any point in the game. Go inside and climb the narrow cracks (twice) to reach the upper level of the caverns. The chest is at the top. Come back to Muspelheim when you’ve completed the main game. The first challenges should be a total breeze at that point — bring the Level 4 Blades of Chaos and the Level 5 Leviathan Axe. Purchase Resurrection Stones before battle if you don’t already have one ready. Swap between weapons, unleashing your Runic Attacks to quickly slaughter enemies. Killing enemies quickly is what’s most important here. The Valkyrie is by far the toughest part of this challenge. I recommend collecting the Level 6 Upgrade for the Leviathan Axe before attempting to defeat her. The Level 6 Axe Upgrade and armor that heals you over time are both found in Niflheim. I recommend mostly completing Niflheim first — it’s good practice, and you’ll be able to easily slice through the trials to reach the Valkyrie — the Valkyrie is what makes this so much more difficult than the Axe Upgrade. When the Valkyrie rises up, she’s charging an unblockable attack you can’t dodge. Hit her with Atreus’ arrow. Heavy Runic attacks can interrupt her attacks. Unleash one at the right time when she’s charging or attempting a combo to do lots of damage. With the fully upgrade Leviathan Axe, the fight should only last a few minutes. Developer And Publisher Sony recently released their new latest game titled God Of War 2018. It is an action adventure game which is an eighth installment in the God Of War Series and the sequel to the GOW 3.In God Of War 2018, players can collect new weapons, armor and other items which boost damage and defense. One of the items needed to completely upgrade the blade of Chaos is Raging Inferno of Muspelheim. Below you will find a guide on how and where to get the item. How To Fully Upgrade The Blade Of Chaos In God Of War 2018Kratos can use his signature weapon The Blade Of Choas in the latest God Of War and just like previous games you can upgrade them by farming some necessary items.The blade of Chaos can be upgraded till level 4 by collecting Chaos Flame. The good thing about this item is that you don’t need to find them as you get them just by progressing through the game. Once you get the Chaos Flame just go to any Drawf Brothers and upgrade the Blade.But Upgrading It To Level 5 is a bit different, you will need an item called Raging Inferno of Muspelheim. To get this item you need to travel to Muspelheim, the realm of fire.If you don’t have access to Muspelheim you need to collect four Muspelheim Ciphers and access it from the Realm door.Once you arrive at the fire realm, interact with the giant fiery sword and start the Muspelheim trails. You will then face a wave of enemies which are pretty strong. In the final stage of the trail, you will encounter a Boss Valkyrie named Gondul. Defeat it and it will drop a bunch of rewards, one of the rewards will be the Raging Inferno of Muspelheim.After getting the item go to the shop and then select “Buy” and then “Resources”. On that window click on the “Chaos Flame” and you’ll trade it for the item.Now go to The Blade Of Chaos section and upgrade it, this will give the fully upgraded weapon and also unlock the “Why Fight It?” Trophy.Also Checkout the following guide. In order to upgrade the Leviathan Axe, you will need the Frozen Flames. Now you can get the 5 out of 6 frozen flames required by going through the main story of God of War. You will get each frozen flame by defeating the bosses as each boss drops a frozen flame when defeated. For the last one, you will get it if you exchange the Niflheim’s Chilling Mist for the Frozen Flame. You can do this by going through the region where you get the treasures in center chamber of the workshop in Niflheim. Once you have gotten it from the chamber, simply head towards Brok or Sindri’s shop and carry out the trade. Moreover, you will also unlock the Worthy trophy once you have collected all 6 Frozen Flames. Below is the brief description of every Leviathan Axe upgrade:Upgrade 1:The first upgrades come as a default with the Leviathan Axe meaning you will not have to do anything to get this upgrade; the Leviathan Axe will already have the first upgrade when you get it. At this point, the Axe has only ten strength.Upgrade 2:The second upgrade of the Leviathan Axe needs you to do something before you get it. You will get the second upgrade of the axe once you have escaped from the Ruins. Just head to Brok’s shop after escaping from ruins and then upgrade your Leviathan Axe to level 2. At the second upgrade, your Leviathan Axe will have 25 strength.Upgrade 3:You will get the third upgrade of the Leviathan Axe at your first trip to the Foothills. Once you get there, you will then need to defeat the Ogre, once you defeat him, he will drop the Frozen Flame. Get it and then head to Brok’s shop or Sindri’s to get the third upgrade. This upgrade will give you Leviathan Axe a strength of 40.Upgrade 4:You will have the fourth upgrade of the Leviathan Axe when you visit the Heart of the Mountain. When you are there, you will then have to defeat the Jarn Fotr, and then this boss will drop a Frozen Flame. Go ahead and take that Frozen Flame. And then you will be able to upgrade your Leviathan Axe to level 4 by heading to Brok’s or Sindri’s shop. With the upgrade 4, the Axe will have a strength of 55.Upgrade 5:You will get the fifth upgrade of the Leviathan Axe when you pay a visit to the Thamur’s Corpse. There, you will be faced with Magni and Modi. Now you need to defeat both Magni and Modi, and then you will get a Frozen Flame. With the Frozen Flame in your hand, go to either Brok’s shot of Sindri’s shop and then upgrade the Axe to Level 5. The fifth upgrade of the Leviathan Axe will give it an overall strength of 70.Upgrade 6:The sixth upgrade of the Leviathan Axe is different from the above three upgrades. For this upgrade, you will need 5000 Mist Echoes. To get these, you will need to open the Legendary Chest in the Center Chamber of Nilfheim. Once you have the Mist Echoes, head to Sindri or Brok’s shop and then upgrade the Axe to level 6. With the sixth upgrade of the Axe, it will get an overall strength of 85.Blades of Chaos. A time will come in the game when Kratos will realise that he needs some variety in the weapons that he uses. At that time, the Blades of Chaos will be added to the game. You will need Chaos Flame and Muspelheim’s Ranging Inferno to upgrade the Blades of Chaos. There are a lot of complexities associated with the Blades of Chaos especially with their upgrades. But with this guide, you will be able to understand the upgrading process of the Blades of Chaos.Upgrade 1:The first upgrade of the Blades of Chaos comes as default with the weapon. This means that you will not have to do anything specific to get this upgrade. It will be embedded in the Blades of Chaos when you get them. The first upgrade of the Blades of Chaos has just 5 Runic.Upgrade 2:The second upgrade of the Blades of Chaos will require you to defeat the Mattugr Helson. In order to defeat this boss, you will first need to visit the Helheim, once you are there, keep playing the story mode and you will be faced with the Mattugr. Defeat him and he will drop a Chaos Flame, pick it up hand then head to the shop of Brok or Sindri and then carry on with the upgrade of the Blades of Chaos. The Runic for the second upgrade is 10.Upgrade 3:For this upgrade, you will need to do two things. Firstly, you will have to collect the Black Rune Stone. Once done, then you will have to defeat the Trolls that are found in the Tyr’s Vault. After defeating them, you will get the Chaos Flame. Once you have it, go to the shop of either Sindri or Brok and then carry out the process of upgrade. You will get the overall 20 Runic for the third upgrade.Upgrade 4:You will have to defeat the Hel-Traveler to get this upgrade. You can only defeat the Hel-Traveler when you are escaping from the Helheim. Once you are faced with this boss, defeat him and he will drop a Chaos Flame. Get it and then head towards Sindri’s or Brok’s shop to upgrade the Blades of Chaos. The Runic for this upgrade is 35.Upgrade 5:This is the final upgrade. And this upgrade is different than the three upgrades above. To get the fifth upgrade of the Blades of Chaos, you will need to get the Raging Inferno of Muspelheim. And to get it, you will need to defeat the Valkyrie Gondul who is found at the top of the Muspelheim. Once you defeat it, you will get the Raging Inferno. And once you have the Raging Inferno, you can then go to the shop of either Brok or Sindri and then you can upgrade your Blades of Chaos to level 5. The Blades of Chaos will have a 50 Runic after the fifth upgrade.Talon Bow. In God of War, Kratos has a companion named as Atreus; he uses the Talon Bow. At the start of the game, Atreus is only able to use the standard arrows but later on, he can use much more including some melee strikes. In order to upgrade the Talon Bow in the God of War, you will simply need an item that is called Talon Bow Upgrade. You can get it by simply progressing through the game’s main story. And then during the story, you will get the upgrade items either from an enemy drop or from an NPC (Non-Player Character.) With the upgrade item, necessary Hacksilver and the materials, you will be able to upgrade the Talon Bow by going to Brok or Sindri. The brief description of each upgrade is given below:Upgrade 1:Just like other weapons, the first upgrade of the Talon Bow will come as a default meaning that you will not have to do anything specific to get this upgrade. The bow will come with this upgrade. However, the bow will be available after you have defeated all the trolls in the wildwoods fight.Upgrade 2:The upgrade two of the Talon Bow will not be available right after you get the bow. The second upgrade will be available to you once you reach to River Pass or in other words at the start of River Pass. The Hacksilver cost for the second upgrade is 5000 and the resource cost of this upgrade is 2 Soft Svartalfheim Steel. The second upgrade increases the damage of the arrows and also, it makes the new Talon Bow skills available for the purchase.Upgrade 3:The upgrade three of the Talon Bow will be available to you after you have spent some time in the story more. And to be more precise, the third upgrade will be available when you arrive at the Lake of Nine. The Hacksilver cost of the third upgrade of Talon Bow is 10,000 and the resource cost of this upgrade is 2 Solid Svartalfheim Steel. With the third upgrade of Talon Bow, the damage of your arrows will increase and also, a new skill for Talon Bow will be available for the purchase.Upgrade 4:In order to get the fourth upgrade for the Talon Bow, you will need a return to the Midgard after the Alfheim. Once you do that, you will unlock the fourth upgrade for the Talon Bow. The Hacksilver cost for the Talon Bow is 22,500. Moreover, the resource cost for the Talon Bow is 5 Solid Svartalfheim Steel. Once you get the fourth upgrade, the damage of your arrows will increase and also, you will unlock a new skill for the Talon Bow, and it will be available for the purchase.Upgrade 5:In order to get the fifth upgrade for the Talon Bow, you obtain the Mimir’s Head. And to do this, you will need to return to the Mountain Summit. Once you have obtained his head, you will be able to upgrade the Talon Bow to the fifth level by going to either Brok’s or Sindri’s shop. The Hacksilver cost for the fifth upgrade is 45,000. Furthermore, the resource cost for the upgrade is 1 Hardened Svartalfheim Steel. The fifth upgrade will increase the damage of the arrows and will also unlock the skill of Talon Bow for you to purchase.Upgrade 6:The final upgrade of the Talon Bow will be available when on one occasion in the game you will heal Atreus. Once you do that, you will be able to upgrade the Talon Bow to the sixth level. The Hacksilver cost for the upgrade of Talon Bow is 80,000. Also, the cost of resource for the upgrade is 3 Hardened Svartalfheim Steel. Once you have upgraded the bow to the final level, you will then further increase the overall damage of the arrows. Also, you will be able to do Runic summon of fully recharge quiver of Atreus with arrows.Quiver Upgrades. The best thing about God of War is that the developers have given attention to small details of the game as well. This is the reason that you can also upgrade the quiver of Atreus. The quiver can be upgraded up to 4 levels and it gets different abilities with each upgrade. Below is a short description of each upgrade of the quiver.Upgrade 1:Just like all weapons, the first upgrade of the quiver comes as default. So you will not have to worry about purchasing it as it will come with the bow and quiver.Upgrade 2:The second upgrade of the quiver will be available once you arrive at the Lake of Nine. The Hacksilver cost for the second upgrade for the quiver is just 5000. With the second upgrade of the quiver, the recharge time of the arrows of Talon Bow will be reduced.Upgrade 3:The third upgrade of the quiver will be available when you return to the Mountain Summit. The Hacksilver cost for the third upgrade of the quiver is 25,000. With the third upgrade, the recharge time of the arrows of Talon Bow will be reduced further.Upgrade 4:The fourth upgrade of the quiver will be available after the Second Water Drop. The Hacksilver cost for the upgrade of the quiver is 45,000. Moreover, the upgrade will increase the capacity of the arrows in the quiver to 4.The weapons mentioned above are the ones that you must have to upgrade in the God of War if you want to play the game and face the enemies without many difficulties. With the guide above, you will be easily able to upgrade all of these weapons. We seem to only have spoiler free threads so this seemed necessary. There are a lot of 'moments', foreshadowing, and story beats to talk about and I want to read other peoples thoughts. I have a lot of my own as usual but I would rather respond in bits than make a massive wall of text up front.I just finished the story last night. Pretty good I guess? Problem is I'm feeling starved for more. I really enjoyed this world and I want to see so much more of it and their interpretations of these other characters so I'm left frustrated there isn't more. I was desperately hoping to get a brief tease of Odin or Thor towards the end of the story and you don't, besides the little easter egg clip with Thor but you can't really see him. Side note: How do Thor and Odin not just show up during any of these major moments where sons and brothers are being killed? While I'm glad they sort of prepared for multiple games, allowing this world to be fully realized, it is such a tease.I don't know enough about Norse mythology to know exactly what the son being Loki has to do with Ragnarok potentially. All I know is he's another son of Odin? Something about destruction? Also the mech (Mechwarrior) and the marvel movies. I asked in the other thread but if anyone has suggestions for documentaries or educational series on Norse mythology, I'd love to hear them. I'm very curious to learn more than just the names and places I've seen in games and media for decades and how close God of War is sticking to the source material vs their own ideas.Major foreshadowing with the world crossing stuff, the pictures of Egypt, Japan, and a third one that I did not recognize. Perhaps someone else knows what it is. This is pretty cool, specifically looking forward to samurai Kratos, but I was also worried they wouldn't continue the Norse mythology until completion. I don't think I want a specific game where Kratos jumps around between mythologies, but if they do a trilogy on Norse, finish it up, then its okay to move on. Slight issue I have with that is it becomes formulaic, which I kinda see happening here. This game we kill Baldur, next game we kill Thor, and finally we kill Odin? Rinse, repeat for each mythos? Ehhh.80% completion shown on the map screen. I have not even touched the Muspelheim or Niflheim; the latter seems to be exactly the sort of thing I hate with a time limit. There is a trophy for fully exploring an area, Veithurgard, I'm not sure I've heard of in the game? Maybe its on the bifrost wheel or some section of the map and I didn't notice it. I've done two of the Valkyries as I stumbled across them but I don't exactly feel a strong pull to go finish them all because. Well I have no idea what the reward is and all those fights are a lot of potential frustration.Overall a very high quality game, IMO. Not the must original structure or whatever, but I think it pulls many design inspirations from the last decade or two of games and melds them together extremely well and polishes the heck out of it. I thought the characters were all pretty good, aside from Atreus being slightly annoying to 'oh my god throw him off a cliff please' when he becomes a little piece of shit for a time. This is why I don't want kids in real life. All the voice acting was done very well. I'm so used to Bethesda type games these days where they have three people doing the whole cast, so hearing unique voices for everyone, including the side quest stuff, was great. I swear the one spirit (who gets stabbed in back by his son) sounds like Vegeta's voice actor. Kate Beckinsale would absolutely play Freya in my movie adaptation. Along with Tom Hardy as Kratos because he's got the voice and look.Anyway, time for other people to talk. Plenty of other stuff to talk about. I haven't touched on combat which people seem to go back and forth on? The implications of Atreus being Loki are sorta hard to read into, considering how fast and loose they play with everything else. But, from a traditional stand-point Loki is associated with mischief and deception, often being portrayed as the villain. If I were to take a wild guess, they might be setting up for a God of War without Kratos, Loki taking over his role as the fury raining down on the gods. Either that or an ultimate showdown between Kratos and Loki, after Loki betrays Kratos etc. (or it could just be that they wanted a 'shocking' end to the game)As for the story itself, the Freya reveal was pretty much a dud for me. I mean, who didn't see that coming? Also, after the cutscene where they said realm 30 times I sorta just checked out. I dunno, it's God of War doing God of War things. Nothing wrong with it, but nothing surprising either. It says something that I'm sitting here trying to remember what great moments there were and I'm already struggling to put together just the basic story beats. If anything, I think the one thing that'll stick with me about this game was watching a certain streamer try to take down the Valkyrie Queen on the hardest difficulty for hours yesterday. I ended up a bit disappointed in the story in that it really didnt set up or flesh out why they are chasing Kratos. Dont get me wrong the story of traveling to spread the ashes and the interactions between Kratos and his son were great. Barring when Arterus turned into a little shit for about an hour. I just wish it took a bit more of a back seat to throw in more story/set up with the Norse Gods. I kept expecting Thor or Odin to at least pop up in a main story cut scene so i was kinda shocked when the credits rolled. IArterus being Loki was also kinda weird, and off putting, as is his being a giant. Was I not paying attention? Are the giants able to change size at will? Im not getting how that works. I guess they do the same thing in Marvel. Hey Im a half giant but Im normal size! Just finished it. I’m excited to see what they do with the Loki reveal. I’m guessing the second game will be about the slow discovery of what Loki is destined to do (evil shit, killing Odin or something in Ragnarok right?), with Atreus and Kratos trying to turn him off that path. I imagine that game will introduce Thor and Odin, and end with the wolves eating the moon and Ragnarok beginning (which will probably involve the arrival of the Japanese and Egyptian pantheon as well).I really liked the dialogue after the Loki reveal as well. Kratos describing the original Atreus as a heroic soldier who was always happy, Atreus saying he prefers that name. I imagine this new trilogy will end with Atreus subverting destiny and becoming a good guy after doing some truly evil shit. I enjoyed the story a fair bit, and having been someone with a good knowledge of Greek gods the reveals were better since this time I didn't know any of the lore beforehand. I liked how during that one bit Atreus wouldn't follow my commands whatsoever. That said, I thought it all ended a bit abruptly. I thought we would at least see Odin.As for the combat, I really never liked the Axe stuff. Most of the time I could play conservatively and rely on distance shots whilst Atreus helped pummel them down. The Blades combat was much more fun and I got into the thick of it a lot more because I actually wanted to.Overall I enjoyed the game a lot and think it's an immense accomplishment to reinvent God of War to the standard that they have, but I don't think I'm quite as enamoured as most critics (including Dan) seem to be. Do we assume Loki is indeed Kratos son? Or is there a later reveal that she lied to Kratos and he is a son of Odin? Thus allowing for another major issue for Kratos to deal with: I raised him as my son and felt that way about him, but in reality he is not and is a constant reminder of her lie and deception, and potentially becomes a big evil asshole in the future. Gods lying being a common theme here. I have no idea if Loki is supposed to be a son of Odin in the source material. I will say that I had forgotten about the Loki name so it was a nice surprise at the end for me. I frequently see most twist and turns coming from a mile away but this one I did not.The mother I assumed was a god from the start, but I had no idea what god. I figured the knife, the chests and other objects in the world with that mask was some hint to the type of god she was. Then they said she was mortal and I thought ah okay. I guess that goes against what I was thinking. Then the Giant reveal and I was like ahhh okay good, an additional layer of mystery here. Still wondering about the masks and the knife acting almost like a key or if I'm thinking too much about it.What exactly was shown on that last Giant mural behind the cloth? Kratos saying ominous things. All I could absorb in the limited time was Loki and what looked like a snake or white thing coming from his mouth?I know nothing of the significance of this Mistletoe stuff in the lore, but having said that I am happy with the result. My best guess when Freya said the arrows were bad was that they were being tracked by Odin. I figured the collectible ravens were green and these were green sooo. I don't know. I figured maybe the Dwarves were actually working with Odin for some reason which is why he was supplied with the arrows. Then Freya took the arrows minus the small piece left in Loki's quiver strap. So I had an eye roll moment of 'ugh of course they miss the small piece which will continue to track them.' Luckily, none of this turned out to be true and it was Baldur's weakness which. I know nothing about so whatever.In terms of best moments: The first encounter with The Stranger was awesome I thought. Really fun fight sequence and really ramped up my excitement for the game going forward. I just thought Baldur, who I had never heard of besides 'Baldur's Gate', had an awesome, unique but grounded kinda street thug look to him but then really throws down with Kratos, this brawny, bald painted, grumpy dude. This is why I was eager to see what Thor and Odin looked like, or other major characters. Freya was also very cool.The moment where Kratos says he has to return home and get a weapon, I got really giddy and I'm not even a particular fan of the old games. I thought maybe they'd actually have a brief section where they show how he traversed worlds and go back to Greece just briefly. Just to see how it'd look with these graphics etc. BUT, you do just return to your home in the woods. Even still, when you take those things out and walk outside to tear shit up, I had a huge grin on my face the whole time. They feel much faster and broader attack range compared to the axe. Absolutely destroying everything.The first time the World Serpent comes to life, the sense of scale, the water level lowering and revealing this whole open world aspect to the game. Terrifying.The closing fight with Baldur was decent but particularly the moments where you are tag teaming this guy with your son, even if they are quick time events, looked great. That was the first time I actually liked Loki and thought he was a bad ass.Generally there is lots of stuff I liked about the game while other aspects were less impactful. There is a lot of information to take in. Even now, having finished the story and sailing around, Mimir is dropping some small knowledge bombs that answer some questions. I am getting somewhat annoyed by the high level enemies in the post-game. I really wanted that sense of being a bit overpowered while mowing through stuff but that isn't quite happening. Having four level 7 things thrown at you, doing massive damage to me isn't quite fun. I just wanna wander around! And fuck those Dark Elves man. The Elf Lords and the Witch ladies. Full on game ruining pieces of garbage.Excellent question. I had forgotten about this. Do we assume Loki is indeed Kratos son? Or is there a later reveal that she lied to Kratos and he is a son of Odin? Thus allowing for another major issue for Kratos to deal with: I raised him as my son and felt that way about him, but in reality he is not and is a constant reminder of her lie and deception, and potentially becomes a big evil asshole in the future. Gods lying being a common theme here. I have no idea if Loki is supposed to be a son of Odin in the source material. I will say that I had forgotten about the Loki name so it was a nice surprise at the end for me. I frequently see most twist and turns coming from a mile away but this one I did not.I believe Loki is supposed to be the adopted son of Odin. The mural at the end shows Kratos Norse name as being Farbauti, who is Loki's father in Norse Mythology. Ending fell flat to me; not sure why some reviewers were talking about getting emotional at the end. When the credits popped I was shocked; like a lot of other people have said, I surely expected at least Thor to intervene at the last moment. For how long this game was, it sure feels like it's missing a third act. I suppose if it's going to borrow a ton of things from every great game of this generation, it may as well borrow that aspect from a few games as well.That said, I loved the combat, I loved the puzzles (maybe because I'm normally bad at them and I solved all but two or three I came across in this game) and I loved the surprise reveals, especially the Blades of Chaos. The guy who did the voice for Baldur created a really compelling character, it hinted at some stereotypical, 'look, it's the crazy guy' tics but never fully succumbed to them. All the voice acting was really good other than Atreus, actually. A lot of Atreus' dialogue was a little cringeworthy for me honestly, it reminded me of some of the goofy, world-breaking scripts Bungie wrote for the Ghost in Destiny 2. I did really enjoy Kratos and his attempts at fathering the child, though, and I get that Atreus was not supposed to seem much like Kratos' son. I think they didn't find exactly the right way to present that information, though.I'll likely attempt to tackle a lot of the endgame content at some point; like I said, I personally really enjoyed the combat, and I feel like the Blades and a lot of the end game runes/armor hadn't even opened itself up to me yet. I got through the first four waves of the volcano world and had a really, really damn good time with all those combat challenges before I decided to get back to the story, and same goes for the two Valkyries I defeated in the course of the story. : I agree with a lot of what you said. I think the combat has a steep learning curve if you want to look/feel good at it but I'd say I was able to brute force my way through on Normal difficulty, dying a lot to specific (bad) elements of the combat engagements where you are being deliberately overwhelmed. Finished the story up at Level 5 and 'Strength/70' (is that some kind of overall rating?) with individual stats of 148/124/140/63/46/28.There are moments where I somehow pull off a string of moves in a way that feels amazing, deliberate, and natural like it was designed to be played that way. An example I didn't put together (even though it seems extremely obvious) until late in the game was the axe throw rune Tyr's Revenge that has it spinning in place on the target and then slamming down and using the Returning Storm level 5 move. It's incredible to use the rune and chuck the axe, lock down that target, maybe land in a couple punches on some other target, sprint at the axe target just as it finishes the rune, leap into the air and recall the axe into a big ground smash on the target. It feels so good to nail that. To me it shows that there is a very high skill ceiling because there are a ton of different runic attacks, plus all the different weapon skills. I hardly used a lot of it just because the combat is so frantic that I'm almost always just hitting whatever is closest with whatever I have.All that being said, you also mention the Challenge Mountain/Muspelheim which I went to for the first time today after writing up these posts. Kinda cool at first? I really like how they've made the challenges interesting and gave them unique gimmicks, but I hate stuff that is timed and then I got to the third set of trials and guess what? Its got a stupid Dark Elf Lord. And hes got a special shield! So you can only, temporarily harm him when his grunts are killed. Take an enemy that feels broken to begin with and make it even more unfair. After that, plus dealing with the high level enemies preventing me from exploring, the timer thing on Niflheim, and the story already being done, I put the controller down and now I'm left with this feeling like. What's the point? Why should I get pissed off at these Valkyries? I don't always shy away from a challenge, I love the Souls games, but this feels kinda blah now. I never felt like the gear made a big difference to my survival, it was more me just bashing my head against tough fights until I cleared it like a pro. So struggling to get better gear (just seems like the Epic stuff is left) which I don't think will make a difference so I can struggle on more enemies?I want more story, characters, areas to explore;; I want to have more fun with the combat and get better at it, but that isn't fun against some of these stupid Elf Lords or double teaming Witches that spam hard to see, hard hitting ranged moves. I want to return to Alfheim and see what stuff I missed or can get access to with later game tools but ugh I can't stand fighting the Elves. I also had a special disdain reserved for the Dark Elves (and their Lords), but I think I cracked them in a way you haven't yet to the point I was always more disappointed in myself than the game when they got my number (which, I should say, was zero times once I got the Dwarven armor set and had the Blades leveled to 4). Last Chaos Flame God Of War LyricsI was surprised with myself that I beat that round the first time I came against it, with my basic strategy being one I used in the 'enemies recover extremely quickly' round as well. I just kept my weapons at bay and punched the hell out of them while spamming shock arrows from Atreus and I tended to dispatch the minions pretty quickly. One thing I really appreciated about my mini-marathon through the first 2/3rds of those trials was I finally learned just how valuable the stun locking and violent kills can be when you're surrounded in a swarm or just want to get things over with.It's also probably important in that fight to realize the lackeys, like a lot of the boss fights, are specifically tied to either a timer or segments of the health bar, so if you're knocking them out quickly, you get a pretty decent amount of time to wreck the Lord. Also, I did say the runes and armor seem kind of frivolous, but I did try to have as many Rage Burst and Rage perks as I could and could usually pop Spartan Rage for health regen and major damage about two times per fight for the last third of the game. : They are chasing Kratos because they think he is a Giant who can show them how to get to Jotunheim. When Baldur shows up at the beginning, his dialogue doesn't really make any sense unless you know that he is actually looking for the wife who he thinks is a giant. As he doesn't really know who Kratos is, he assumes Kratos is the giant he was sent to find.As to the reason why he just shows up, I can only assume its because Kratos cut down the trees that were providing a magical barrier to that part of the forest.Also as others have said, the size of Giants is directly addressed in the game. They aren't all actually giant. Giant is just English translation of the Norse mythos term for the people that were borne from Ymir. I feel myself becoming rather bitter and angry about GoW post-story. I already kind of talked about it before but I keep trying to pick it up and mess around with it for fun, and instead I'm left pissed off and annoyed. Tried that Dark Elf Lord challenge again a few times and still barely get anywhere so screw that place. Sampled a couple more Valkyries and walked away after only a couple tries on each because I could see this hurdle ahead of me and that didn't seem fun. I returned to explore Alfheim and The Mountain area again to wander which was kinda fun. You end up getting lost in this maze of overlapping sections from different parts of the game. Sometimes you can't go through certain spots or use certain elevators so you have to back track a bunch. I still enjoyed it anyway because of the atmosphere and visuals. So much to look at in the world. Looked over my gear again, it is pretty much just the Epic tier pieces left which of course are from Muspelheim and Niflheim stuff. So I gave Niflheim another shot and NOPE. Can't even make it through the first set of enemies reasonably fast for the time limit, and it keeps throwing Dark Elves at me. So fuck this. I think I'm fed up with the game, continuing to play it is only souring my opinion.Last thought I had was turning it down to easy to see if that made it any more fun. Ugh I want more to do in this world. : They are chasing Kratos because they think he is a Giant who can show them how to get to Jotunheim. When Baldur shows up at the beginning, his dialogue doesn't really make any sense unless you know that he is actually looking for the wife who he thinks is a giant. As he doesn't really know who Kratos is, he assumes Kratos is the giant he was sent to find.As to the reason why he just shows up, I can only assume its because Kratos cut down the trees that were providing a magical barrier to that part of the forest.Also as others have said, the size of Giants is directly addressed in the game. They aren't all actually giant. Giant is just English translation of the Norse mythos term for the people that were borne from Ymir.Really interesting point on cutting the tree. Did not consider that. I kinda gathered Kratos being pursued was due to getting to Jotunheim, or a object stored there, but its not super clear. That gave me expectations Odin would show up if nothing more then a face in the sky when you reached Jotunheim to give some context. And NOTHING happened. I mean inserting that could off set and spoil the moment the father and son moment the game tried to create but still. So I wasnt super happy with the ending. Which kinda sucked as it is a really great game in so many aspects.I generally get the giant thing being lost in translation, but then who was the corpse Freya controlled during last fight? I thought that was supposed to be one of the Giants from Jotunheim. They really should have just ditched the giant aspect. Tried that Dark Elf Lord challenge again a few times and still barely get anywhere so screw that place. Sampled a couple more Valkyries and walked away after only a couple tries on each because I could see this hurdle ahead of me and that didn't seem fun.If you are getting shit on your armor/weapon level might not be high enough? The game does have some poor damage scaling. I dont know numbers, but if your level 3 and fighting a level 5 enemy their damage is like +50%. Which really makes it feel like upgrading your items doesnt translates to the real world gameplay. : I posted my stats a couple posts ago I think. Axe is maxed out. Blades are lvl 4 but no idea where you get the last Chaos Flame. I assume its from Muspelheim at the end or something. But yea I looked over my stuff and I can't really do anything else except try and get the Epic armor. Runic skills are maxed out (didn't realize you could level these up til the end.) They are throwing level 7-8 enemies at you almost always and I seem to do reasonable damage to them, but I die in a couple hits. So when four enemies are spamming me with crap, it's a nightmare.One of the complaints I keep forgetting to mention that other people have brought up was how enemies can constantly interrupt you and often your attacks don't interrupt them. This is one of the reasons why I hate the Elves and the Witches. You hit them a couple times and they decide to just vanish away or hit back while I'm using my sweet Runic skills. I'm just not a huge fan of how the enemies pile on you, at least with this very tight camera angle. The attack direction indicators are useless to me because I just don't see them and thus don't pay attention to them. So much flash stuff is happening on screen and everything is so fast that it just isn't viable for me. It reminded me of how, I think it's the Batman games, where the game sorta slows down and gives you the button prompt to counter an attack coming from behind. NOT that I think that is a great idea here because it slows down the flow of the combat, but it just shows that there is a reason why we've had the corny enemy attack queue for so long because it can be very annoying otherwise. : Im in Muspelheim now trying to get upgrade for Blades. Its reward for last fight I think. 20 various basic enemies where you cant get hit. Its pissing me off sooooo much. Ive been doing it for couple hours:-/ I could wreck them, but no hit is tilting me soo bad. I hate no hit BS. Thats play Arena mode only BS. Dont lock my items on that shit.Im playing on normal, which usually isnt enough in most games. This game can be really tough. I dont see anything as too out of whack balance wise other then level scaling honestly. Im fine with counter hitting but it could be more telegraphed and counterable then just your fucked. I generally like to beat my head on the wall for this stuff though if I like the game. Was HUGE fan of Ninja Gaiden. : everything you said is correct. Baldur shows up looking for a giant, not any in particular just a giant because Odin tasked him with tracking down the last of them to obtain passage into Jotunheim. When he shows up at their home, it is because Baldur sensed a giant who he believed was Kratos not knowing Atreus (Loki) was under the floorboards.And you’re right about their presence being known because the trees his wife marked were cut down. Kratos confirms this in one of his dialogues. And she did it knowing it would lead them away from home and on their journey. :@john1912 And to address the giant that Freya summoned in the final fight. That is Thamur the dead giant corpse who fell on his own stake. The one you saw early in the game. He was just reanimated the same way that Mimir was I assume. And they already mention in game that not all giants are actually GIANT but there are those who are. If you think about Giant meaning a race and not just size then it’s easier to understand. Even barely:bI do kind of agree with you about the end game expectations. I really didn’t think the game would end when it did without another god like Odin or Thor being in the way at least a little bit. But hey what can you do. I hope that you did return to Kratos home after the credits rolled though! If not then you should do that immediately.To anyone who believes Atreus is not related to Kratos. Cory Barlog, the games director already confirmed that Atreus is his biological son. The only way he can be considered a step son to Odin in the game is because he is a god born in the Norse realm. Also does anyone else think Atreus is gonna have two personalities in the future? Good side who we all know as Atreus and his counterpart Loki? When they entered Helheim together this thought crossed my mind. At one point Kratos says something and Atreus immediely answers back in a smart ass way. After Kratos makes a comment back towards him Atreus says it wasn’t him. If this is true then maybe in future installments Odin will be able to play to Loki’s side and make him his “step son” to keep with Norse myth since they’ve done an amazing job of it already. : I do understand that because he does see the image of himself stabbing Modi in the neck and begins to realize his ways and says I couldn’t have done that. It’s just the extra bit of dialogue between them after the image fades when Atreus makes the comment I mentioned earlier. But then again the bit I heard from Atreus could have been a comment still referring to his arroagant self from earlier and not his snappy response to the comment made by Kratos. I’m actually gonna try to find the scene right now so I can see for sure. : okay so I realized what happened. Right when you climb the first path in helheim with Atreus a helheim shadow speaks and says “he should pay for what he did to mother. But Kratos doesn’t see the image so he says “boy?” In which Atreus replies “it. Wasn’t me.”I still wanna stand by the split personality thing considering the Atreus trailer “A call from the wild.” There’s the image of Atreus grasping his head while the image of two serpents with runes are on either side of him. Unless these serpents are meant to portray his mother and fathers guidance I think it’s the Norse God and Greek God fighting within him. Also fun fact the serpents somewhat resemble the one we see on the mural painted by his mother in Jotunheim. : Hang back and use your lightning arrows on most enemies, use stun arrows on werewolves and then grapple them. When it is just you and the ice ancient, keep your shield up, keep your distance and throw your axe. Where Do You Get The Last Chaos Flame In God Of WarALWAYS spam your arrows. You'll get it.Once you do all 5 arenas you fight the valkerie. Last Chaos Flame God Of War MovieOnce she is defeated you can go again, but you only need to defeat THREE of the arenas to get 3 keys (i usually do 2,3,4) and then instead of the valkerie there is a random encounter which can be easy or tough (tough being don't get hit, easy being kill 50 enemies in 8 minutes). I think I like the bit that Kratos is a wrench in mythology. He destroys the Greek pantheon because he's angry and starts doing the same for the sake of his son and his dead wife's request. He even alters prophecy itself because all the murals at the end misname Atreus. Mimir also remarks on this by saying Kratos advanced prophecy by 100 years. The plot of the second game literally hinges on changing fate and defying them. Several times him and Atreus remark that fate is a lie made by the gods. There's an underlying theme also from discussions about Odin that obsessing over the future will drive you mad.Speaking of Odin, I'm fine he didn't show up. He's kinda painted as a paranoid coward that makes his sons do all the dirty work. Almost all of the lore murals have Thor killing but a severe lack of Odin doing some legwork. Odin is seen as a scared, insecure figure and that's even more apparent when the giants he's so scared for turn out to all be dead.I'm really hoping they use this story as a springboard to other pantheons and don't dwell on the Norse stuff too much. As curious and engaged as I was about the Norse mythology, I cared more for the main story in honoring Faye's last wishes. When Kratos and Atreus realize Faye meant 'No, I meant the highest mountain in ALL the realms' I loved that after the initial 'That can't be what she meant!' They resolve themselves to going ahead with an impossible objective not even the All-father could solve. Baldur, Thor, Odin, they're all just obstacles like the Black Breath to Kratos and Atreus. Kratos doesn't want to keep his cycle of revenge going. Barring the death and/or capture of his son, I don't see Kratos trying to mess with the Norse gods anymore (which makes me think the Thor scene might be written off as just a vision like Kratos seems to do). They need to do something that's as personally engaging as honoring a dead person's wishes rather than revenge for revenge's sake for the sequel. : The Dark Elf's line about 'it's the wrong side' is a moot point because of COURSE to him you chose the wrong side. Mimir says the light of Alfheim changes hands constantly, suggesting that at some point the Light Elves gain enough power to violently overthrow the Dark Elves until the cycle continues. There are a couple of lore markers that suggest the Dark Elves raid Midgard settlements from time to time also so they aren't the misunderstood creatures that line meant to evoke. It also doesn't matter since they fought against Kratos first and he had to get the light no matter what. I don't see how the game got so many perfect scores given a few minor combat/camera problems and the ending felt very incomplete to me. The good part is that I want more now (right this second!!!), but it's also bad since it felt flat too. A God of War Norse game only having two major/popular gods (Baldur and Freya) and no Odin, Thor, Hel, Tyr, Fenrir, etc is an automatic letdown to me. That's even more so given they probably say Thor and Odin at least 300 times each. It feels like they held the major gods and deaths back too much, since they want this to be a trilogy, but other than the Loki twist, they didn't really setup a sequel. What's from stopping them from leaving the area? They have no reason to stick around and fight Odin and the others, but if they left and went Mayan, Egyptian, or whatever this would feel incomplete.It's a great game, but they held back too much in terms of the very limited cast and it feels a little too impersonal between Kratos and the Norse gods. The Loki twist doesn't really mean much, since giants being bad and Thor/Odin being good is just a current mainstream idea, actual Norse mythology makes them seem like huge a-hole, just like this game. Yea, when I went back to Alfheim Mimir did talk about the Elves some more. Pretty much what burncoat said. Sort of feels like neither side is right or wrong, it's just an endless cycle. There was also a piece of lore at the main entrance inside, right in the middle of the floor so I can't imagine it was there originally, but its a note from the Light Elves saying they need to find Faye otherwise the war will never end? Says they all left Alfheim to go search for him and implied he may be being held in Asgard.Ugh all these other areas I want to see. Every realm we've seen has been pretty awesome looking so part of me wonders how much more awesome the city of Asgard could look if it sort of rules over all this. Is there a realm of water/sea? Would love to see that. Big waves and storms etc. Or maybe it could look like some kinda underwater world.And I am definitely more interested to see Kratos as a character just move through these various mythologies rather than the focus being him destroying everything again. What I liked about his character here is that he just wanted to be left alone. He didn't set out to kill gods or anything. He just wanted to fulfill his wife's dying wish and then these assholes have to harass them. I like how he firmly believes all the gods are bad but he is meeting some and maybe he is questioning that, which potentially leaves him vulnerable again. And for those mentioning it, yea the circle around their part of the woods was a ward made by the mother. She specifically marked those trees to cut down which created a gap in the ward (which they comment on when viewing it from above later.) Then Baldur is able to find them and enter. Someone already explained this though.An update on my end: Thank you to for mentioning the axe goes to 6. Made me turn the game on to check it out and then set the difficulty to easy. And just like that, the game was fun again! The jump from Easy to Normal seems somewhat significant. It'd take me half the curse timer to clear the first set of enemies before and afterwards I was able to get fairly far in on my first try. Then I got a piece or two of the Epic armor and that helped even more. My third attempt I was able to reach the Valkyrie and had a fight that felt pretty good. Loading Video.I certainly wouldn't say I'm good at the combat but taking some of that stress off with constant dying meant I could have more fun and really tear shit up. Now I've cleared the entire Niflheim area out with all the chests, realm tears, got the Ivaldi armor set and I feel motivated to go onto Muspelheim again and maybe even kill all the Valkyries. I could probably try bumping the difficulty back up to normal buuuut. I've got nothing to prove. Who cares.Oh and I super hope they bring the Valkyries back as actual story characters in a future game. It'd be incredible to see some insane cutscene of them vs Thor or Odin or whomever. Bad ass designs. I might also change the difficulty to easy, just to have a good time, since on Hard I got my ass handed to me pretty often when I explored the world after the story and then again even on normal.Does the game explain in some side-quest/lore writing how Brok actually became blue? Because I listened to the Lost Pages of Norse Mythology podcasts before playing and the explanation from his brother isn’t the truth, though that is probably obvious since right after he goes ”Don’t ask him about it.”Also another thing that popped to my head, which I might just remember wrong after almost a week, but was the magical boar suppose to be a person who had steadily lost his human mind and had become an actual boar? Or more importantly, was it a person of some importance if so?
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